How many elves fought at helms deep

I disagree witht he whole theory of Celeborn and Galadriel accepting Elrond's leadership. She's one of the eldest elves in M.

More experienced, she has that advantage over him. She's the Highest Noldorin elf in M. Being as proud as she is, and as she was, she would not take the leadership of someone she considers her inferior.

She's Elrond's mother in law, giving her a somewhat high position over Elrond. In terms of power, even thought they had both great rings of power, I think its off the discussion who has more power here. Elrond was NOT the one fighting mentally with Sauron She's wiser than he. The only reason why people didnt go into Caras Galadhon to ask for Galadriels advice was because she didnt wanted anyone to enter her realm without good reason. And finally, Lothlorien is a much more important and bigger realm than Rivendell.

Even the Kingdom of the Wood, Thranduil's, is bigger. In those terms, Elrond's is the one with the least advantage. Probaly the mistrust that Rohan had against Lothlorien and against the Lady G was the reason why the host spoke in name of Elrond At least that's what I think he said. That really doesn't imply to me that they were sent from Rivendell, or under Elrond's command. Hardly something you want when you're out numbered 10, to In truth, I think the line was more for the audience than anything.

Last we saw, Elrond was being berated by Galadriel as to whether to send help. Haldir's line was to inform the audience that they are there with Elrond's wishes. We already knew Galadriel wanted to send help but if Elrond's name was not mentioned, it would have left the impression Galadriel was acting alone. I didnt like the line at all, too Putting aside all the mistrust against the Lady of Light, why would Elrond's acceptance be needed?

Why would GAladriel want Elrond's support? I cant imagine a reason From what Ive seen so far, Galadriel supports Arwens decision of sticking with Elessar, despite the fact that Elrond is against it And Galadriel played match maker when Aragorn was in her realm and her grand daughter was visiting Against Elrond's desires too Iarhen, you're greatly underestimating Elrond.

She seemed to love advertising her power and liked her subjects to do it too. She was always saying how she did this and she could do that, but how much of it is accurate?

If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. As you can see, we shouldn't put too much trust in her proud words. Is Rivendell safe? I guess he has a better mirror. When else do you see something like that? Once again, he sounds rather impressive. He should not be so quickly dismissed as Galadriel's inferior especially with statements like JRRT made in his letter that hint at Elrond having the greater power.

And remember Rivendell still houses many might Elf-lords, such as Glorfindel. Galadrial was the mightiest of the Noldor alongside Feanor but the greatest of the Elves came from the line of Luthien. We are so used to the archetypical characters that Tolkien has created, but Jackson isn't doing that. He's having the characters growing and changing. He's doing it with Aragorn and Faramir, and he's doing it with Elrond. In the movie, Elrond is ready to leave and to take his daughter with him.

A change in attitude that will continue into RotK. Honestly, once people become adults they are, for the most part, who they are. What's wrong with having characters that are good and wise from the beginning and don't have to overcome some flaw on the screen? How often do people really change their character? And when they do, is it that quick?

It all seems so artificial and unrealistic. I must say that I think I really am underestimating Elrond Probably because of the fact that the movies have influenced me a lot, more than what the books did so far Then he says its Rivendell. Then he says that Lorien will stand against everything until the Dark Lord himself shows up in Loriens borders, because otherwise the forces of Evil would STILL not able to penetrate Galadriel's realm without the physical presence and support of Sauron.

With Elrond, instead, it would be a better Elf Lord with the one ring because his main goal was not power. And then the specially capable would mean capability in terms of elven qualities.

She says that men are specially weak when tempted by power. And that comes from the woman that was one of the leaders of the Noldorin rebellion He said, "I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First".

Yes it's true that Gandalf said there were other powers, but he still said that Rivendell would last the longest. It sounds familiar to me, but I can't remember who said it or when.

When it comes to weilding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord, being a nice, not power hungry person doesn't help. You need sheer power.

And once he took up the ring and started using it, he wouldn't be the same guy anyway no one would be the same if they used it. Remember this line from ROTK? The Power that drove them on and filled them with hate and fury was wavering, its will was removed from them; and now looking in the eyes of their enemies they saw a deadly light and were afraid. I cant remember where but i read on a site there was elves but i cant find the site.

Gandalf White Gone Missing. Originally posted by BlackCaptain Be it or , there were or too many. Between the Elves and Aragorn 's little tumble, all I could think was, "wow, this is really good fanfiction. I define fanfic as 1. I rather enjoy good fanfic. And you can't beat a 3-hour feature film of that caliber! Back to the elves That's what I thought, having been in medieval battle reenactments a lot. The Deeping Wall and the garth behind it were truly monumental in that movie: it had to be half a mile wide.

How can that many elves possibly all be dead? And if they are, why isn't Aragorn falling over with guilt, and Legolas in a state of shellshock? The Legolas of the movie is just barely coming to grips with this "death" concept! Legolas even says it, " Vs 10,". You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads M. Replies 3 Views Who was the founder of Eregion and what is the real story of the Coup of Eregion?

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Favourite Chapter and Why? Yesterday at AM. In a more succinct relatively speaking big screen adaptation, it's far more difficult to establish to the audience that many battles are taking place simultaneously. To ensure that the The Two Towers movie got across the message that Saruman was a threat to all the peoples of Middle-earth and not just its men, the decision was made by Jackson and others to incorporate the elves into the Helm's Deep battle rather than have them scrapping off-screen in a different location.

Many of Jackson's alterations to Tolkien's source material have been criticized by fans, with large sections of the books Tom Bombadil, The Scouring of the Shire making way for the sake of a manageable run time.

Book purists largely deem Jackson's changes unnecessary or disruptive to the plot. Indeed, it could be argued that the union of elves and men in The Two Towers makes their absence in The Return of King 's Battle of the Pelennor Fields somewhat strange. If the elves stopped by to help out at Helm's Deep, why would they later skip out on an even more vital battle upon which the future of Middle-earth was directly linked? In the books, this is, once again, because they have their own attacks to repel and because Helm's Deep was nearer than Minas Tirith, but the reasoning isn't explicit on-screen, especially after the alliance made previously.